Adept Puzzle

[adept]

Okay, so after spending much time enjoying all the puzzles ( well many not exactly enjoying some of those glass floor things), I have decided to try to make my first puzzle.  I don't think it is particularly original, but it might give some people a little challenge as I don't let you use barrels.

Even though I think this title has been used, I called it Simple Addition : dusosoz

[sly]

OMG I made this so much harder than it had to be. There is probably a WAY more simple solution tthan what I made, I used much more than I could've. Also I used one of Rene's template copiers at the bottom. It wasn't necessarily the lack of barrels that was hard, it was crossing the barrels and crates across the area. I feel retarded for making such an awful solution :p

Anyway it actually took me an hour (and a three hour thinking session) to figure it out. I also came up with a machine that dispenses a dozer once the necessary amount of barrels are in place (it's near the top).

Thanks for making such a fun and challenging puzzle (for me at least)

for dusosoz : nytumek

[adept]

OMG I made this so much harder than it had to be. There is probably a WAY more simple solution tthan what I made, I used much more than I could've. Also I used one of Rene's template copiers at the bottom. It wasn't necessarily the lack of barrels that was hard, it was crossing the barrels and crates across the area. I feel retarded for making such an awful solution :p

Anyway it actually took me an hour (and a three hour thinking session) to figure it out. I also came up with a machine that dispenses a dozer once the necessary amount of barrels are in place (it's near the top).

Thanks for making such a fun and challenging puzzle (for me at least)

for dusosoz : nytumek

Thanks for the compliment.  Glad you enjoyed it.  I actually made two solutions.  My original then I also used one of rene's template copiers. Your subtraction mechanism is much slicker than mine but we may have to wait until one of the other rubicon masters solve it to see a much simpler solution>

[jnz]

For Simple Addition (dusosoz): xubagyc.  I used a jf-style template copier.  The pacing dozer at the top is probably the weakest part. 

[adept]

Here is an easy level. 
I was just messing around a little and liked the pattern so let's all go to
Church : lugyhom

[jnz]

The pacing dozer at the top is probably the weakest part. 

That dozer was really bothering me so I reworked the feed mechanism. 
For Simple Addition (dusosoz): xoxabes

For Church (lugyhom): pubylyc

[sly]

for lugyhom : cubarik

61 ticks

[jnz]

Oh, so it is a tick war you want, eh? 
For Church (lugyhom): vedyxit.  40 ticks.  I think 38 is the theoretical minimum.

[TTTPPP]

Although there exist many puzzles requiring a template copier I have so far avoided constructing one.  However I hadn't solved any of Adept's puzzles, and so I gave it a go.  An hour (or so) later, here is my solution to Simple Addition (dusosoz): kidunof.

Thanks for the puzzle Adept!

[jf]

I found Simple Addition (dusosoz) *incredibly* difficult. In hindsight, that others had solved it in an hour could have been a red flag that I was missing something: I did not notice the empty, available space inside the machine until I was *finished* and double-checking solution for "sandbox mistakes". Oops!

If you want an extreme challenge, try the puzzle without using the internal free space.

What my solution does is figure out the value X of the additive barrel by watching the emitted values and looking for the one missing value out of sixteen. Since 0 never falls to the right of the gate, the value X + 0 will never come out. I started with a long series of gates, and was going to use an "Insomniatic" solution to calculate the missing value, but then decided to try for something more elegant, and ended up with quite a complicated mess, due mostly to initialization logic, and also, the twisty turns needed to get the solution turned around, through the template copier, and back to the left in such a cramped space. It may take a long time to complete due to the low probability of a 1 crate falling to the right of the gate -- I need to see 15 different values before I can be sure of the missing sixteenth value.

For Simple Addition (dusosoz): hetubep.

EDIT: jnz, that's actually Rene's template copier from (warning: spoilers for my puzzle "Spinning Wheel") madaget. I had come up with something similar in fitadan, but it's not as refined and I've since adopted the madaget. The copier that sly uses fits quite nice in this puzzle, as does TTTPPP's copier. But then, you have added a nice feed to the madaget in xoxabes, so these are all interesting solutions.

[jnz]

What my solution does is figure out the value X of the additive barrel by watching the emitted values and looking for the one missing value out of sixteen. Since 0 never falls to the right of the gate, the value X + 0 will never come out. I started with a long series of gates, and was going to use an "Insomniatic" solution to calculate the missing value, but then decided to try for something more elegant, and ended up with quite a complicated mess, due mostly to initialization logic, and also, the twisty turns needed to get the solution turned around, through the template copier, and back to the left in such a cramped space. It may take a long time to complete due to the low probability of a 1 crate falling to the right of the gate -- I need to see 15 different values before I can be sure of the missing sixteenth value.

Wow, that's impressive.  I had thought about how to solve this puzzle in other than the intended way but I thought it was impossible.  I did realize that the random number generator wasn't generating zeros but I didn't make the connection that it gave you enough information to solve the puzzle.  Even with that insight it still seems tricky to accomplish without any barrels to compare against.

EDIT: jnz, that's actually Rene's template copier from (warning: spoilers for my puzzle "Spinning Wheel") madaget.

I got that copier from the template copier demonstration lamevut by Rene.  It was credited as a modification of your copier from jynysat (solution to Password), so that's how I attributed it as well.  If you want to avoid credit for this creation, take it up with Rene. 

 

[adept]

I found Simple Addition (dusosoz) *incredibly* difficult. In hindsight, that others had solved it in an hour could have been a red flag that I was missing something: I did not notice the empty, available space inside the machine until I was *finished* and double-checking solution for "sandbox mistakes". Oops!.

Very impressive.  I never thought it could be solved that way.  When I ran your machine to watch it, it lasted 4200 ticks looking for a 4.
I'm also glad you explained how it worked.  Even knowing that it took me a while to understand how you would end up with the correct number.

I start grad school today, so not sure when I'll be back he for more fun.

[Rene]

Apparently, I had the same blind spot as jf, and solved "Simple Addition" the hard way without taking advantage of the open spot in the machine.
It was very hard to fit everything in the available space. Especially the initialization took some creative thinking; check e.g. how the initial '8' is placed in the subtractor, or how the 'F' for the template copier is initialized. 

For Simple Addition (dusosoz): botadib

[jf]

Apparently, I had the same blind spot as jf, and solved "Simple Addition" the hard way without taking advantage of the open spot in the machine.
It was very hard to fit everything in the available space. Especially the initialization took some creative thinking; check e.g. how the initial '8' is placed in the subtractor, or how the 'F' for the template copier is initialized. 

For Simple Addition (dusosoz): botadib

Rene, I was hoping you would attempt the hard solution  . The initialization that you point out in your spoiler is quite clever -- I especially like how the 8 spends some time on up-draw duty before continuing on, it's fantastic. Also, I like how you handle the duplicate barrels, how they reverse direction and burn up. That's a clean solution to duplicates and also keeps the machine size down quite a bit.

[adept]

Are these Birds or Planes.  It's definitely not superman, but here is another quick little level.

Birds: bykinig