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Werbad's Puzzles
« on: February 16, 2008, 08:31:36 PM »

LevelLink
Streamsrilacog
Streams '2'sixuruk
Streams '3'kacupev
Encryption Hashtukafur
Inspection Linejoducuv
Doubleslagyleh
Changehucyzir
Change - Poor Versionsugazuz
Messengergegygif
Rotationvagosuv
Traingaparok
Train v3pesurud
Mergenotuber
Surfingresugyd
Surfing v2liladyn
Dictionaryrydedyf
Tiki Roomgudefud
Twin Worksfacypom
Recyclecufanid
Cyclerbutazap
Chambersgipufyg
Timerbylomud
Timer v2gubafed
Castleslyzebux
Quickpeekpycezod
Collectionxegukub
Collection 2coxydet
Collection 2 v2dogadov
Mass Productionkazyvub
Mass Production v2pilibuh
Mass Production v3bysirez
Mass Production v4gybuxox
Swapduzyhyn
Simplicityricedub
Copiervolubac
Copier 2byzaled
Full Speeddivosyb
Fragmentsdugohok
Troubled Watersxonogod
Cubiclegakopig
Shufflerebexer
Morse Codehobegip
Selectionhygityk
Safehouselolokir
Safehouse 2dynozim
Garbage Collection v2vacysak
Breakvisaguz
Zero Pointtozefif
Fire Escapesobexeg
Make me some C0FFEEtabivex
Exclusivezugagag
Exclusive 2gusinyz
Exclusive 3zyzaduf
Routing Problemsrynidoh
Cyclopshagilid
Liftlihamav
Battlefieldgybixah
Shift Workerzidevud
Full Speed Deliverybyruzir
Ultimate Reproduction Cyclenabudov
Re-Arrangementdasohyd
Quicktime v2fukireg
Quicktime 2 v2xatobut
Scrambled Eggsdehadoh
Speed Testsegugyb
Speed Test 2jepycad
Speed Test 3hakefuh
The Safekikorom
The Safe (Hard)xakudyc
Match 3nubidus
Match 2-2ruhocic
Match 4-2pepiral
Squarerootdugygup
Squareroot Variationhymyzag
Squareroot 2sidydyb
Squareroot 2 Variationcigasar
Bingoluvogab
Garbage Collection Revisitedcokihys
4-bit Differencegafylid
Underflow Protectionhabitah
Underflow Protection 2muzidim
Underflow Protection 3morezyh
Odd Problemdevupok
Odd Problem 2byrurac
Warehousenasifut
Pitfallkasykug
Uneven Multiplicationganexod
Match Makergamogyr
Timelimithacuzot
Controllersokixep
Controller v2dodenaf
Gatewaygifadoc
Devils Cratenefobic
Shift Periodgudebeb
Spaceshipsfebakyn
Full Stopbyryned
Cross Communicationzegitaf
Cross Communication 2kygocex
Two-Timerbebixup
Resource Shortagepapudic
Minor Differencecicahim
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2008, 10:53:54 PM »

Inspection Line(joducuv):bocyboh.  I'm still curious as to how you intended this to be solved.
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That is the most ingenious method of solving an impossible puzzle that I have ever seen.
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Re: Werbad's Puzzles
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2008, 11:21:44 AM »

For Streams (rilacog): nabycan
For Encryption Hash (tukafur): vonulag
For Change - Poor Version (sugazuz): lumehyd
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2008, 02:07:33 PM »

Inspection Line (joducuv): buvatub
Streams (rilacog): jypelut
Encryption Hash (tukafur): punytod

When I had finished my solution for Change i thought of how evil it would be to remove all barrels but the 1 barrel, thus resulting in the poor version... Since I wasn't sure if you would have enough room I didn't bother solving it... Nice work on that one.

Made some new ones:
Messenger gegygif
Rotation vagosuv
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2008, 01:31:08 PM »

New Level:
Train gaparok

I wanted to create a level that wasn't based on random barrels but that still would be a challenge. The resulting machine kinda looked like a train, so I made it into one.

My record is at 4203 ticks, but I'm sure there is a faster solution.
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2008, 09:26:16 PM »

For Rotation (vagosuv): baribiz
For Messenger (gegygif): fydalov
For Encryption Hash (tukafur): fanyryg

Messenger was tough. Good puzzles.
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2008, 11:07:12 PM »

For Streams (rilacog) I thought I had come up with a nice minimum-tick solution in fusutit.  Then I realized that I was trying too hard: potygys (let it run for a few minutes).

For Change (hucyzir): fukypus
For Change - Poor Version (sugazuz): vazikir
For Train (gaparok): bydikeg.  A bit off the mark at 7179 ticks.
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2008, 01:00:18 AM »

For Streams (rilacog) I thought I had come up with a nice minimum-tick solution in fusutit.  Then I realized that I was trying too hard: potygys (let it run for a few minutes).

I think you mean when the machine gets stuck with F10 imagewhich happens if by chance two zeroes in a row are fed in at the bottom. I added the upper right block in my solution just to detect and handle that special case.

For Streams (rilacog): foboted

And for Change - Poor Version (sugazuz): tabuson
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2008, 05:03:52 AM »

I think you mean when the machine gets stuck with F10 imagewhich happens if by chance two zeroes in a row are fed in at the bottom. I added the upper right block in my solution just to detect and handle that special case.

Yes, that's what I meant.  I was working on a special case for my machine when I realized that it wasn't going to get me what I wanted.  I couldn't detect the change fast enough to stop the matcher from going red for a couple ticks.  It wouldn't be truly solved until after we got stuck so why bother with the complicated machine when a very simple one could accomplish the same thing?  Now if you could detect the change and switch modes without going red for even one tick ...

For Train (gaparok): beteguc.  1739 ticks.

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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2008, 07:47:14 AM »

I think you mean when the machine gets stuck with F10 imagewhich happens if by chance two zeroes in a row are fed in at the bottom. I added the upper right block in my solution just to detect and handle that special case.

Yes, that's what I meant.  I was working on a special case for my machine when I realized that it wasn't going to get me what I wanted.  I couldn't detect the change fast enough to stop the matcher from going red for a couple ticks.  It wouldn't be truly solved until after we got stuck so why bother with the complicated machine when a very simple one could accomplish the same thing?  Now if you could detect the change and switch modes without going red for even one tick ...

For Train (gaparok): beteguc.  1739 ticks.



Here zigedam is a solution for Streams that detects the change fast enough to maintain the green matcher. The matcher may be red for the first couple of crates during initialization, depending on the start values, but once the matcher turns green it stays green even if the machine gets stuck on F10. imageThis includes the case where the very first two ? crates happen to be zero. To force a stuck machine for testing, in the sandbox put a conveyor belt along the bottom from the right edge of the screen all the way to the bottom two ? crates (over the bricks) and load the right edge of the screen with tons of zero crates. They'll cruise along the conveyor and then jam the machine as they load in place of the ? copier output. Or, just change all three initial ? crates to zero crates, or even just the one over the copier, to vary the time before jamming.
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2008, 12:23:38 PM »

I thought I had eliminated all getting-stuck cases for streams... Nice work solving it even with this error.
For Train I noticed a design error that allows you to prevent the machine from locking the packer/unpacker sections...
I will see if a can fix it...

My solutions:
Change (hucyzir): jufobuk
Rotation (vagosuv): tuvudyr
Messenger (gegygif): meduxon

Edit:
Train v3 pesurud

Made a second version of Streams. Fixed the double 0-case too.
Streams '2' sixuruk
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2008, 03:53:03 PM »

Here zigedam is a solution for Streams that detects the change fast enough to maintain the green matcher. The matcher may be red for the first couple of crates during initialization, depending on the start values, but once the matcher turns green it stays green even if the machine gets stuck on F10.

Ok, I couldn't let that go unanswered.  Smiley
For Streams (rilacog): xydonir.  Solves in 41 ticks and stays solved.
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2008, 09:06:51 PM »

...
For Train I noticed a design error that allows you to prevent the machine from locking the packer/unpacker sections...
I will see if a can fix it...

Edit:
Train v3 pesurud
...

I already have a solution for Train, but it depends that design error for imagejust one extra +. My best time  is 2087 ticks so far, and I've just been trying to improve that. There is a solution, then, imagewithin the allotment of + and - ? If so, then I'll try that before looking at any solutions yet.

EDIT> Oh, I see my mistake! I just noticed imagethat the leftmost 0 is not sitting on a matcher. If you include the 0, then you need at least one more + or one more -.
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2008, 11:33:34 PM »

For Train (gaparok): beteguc.  1739 ticks.

For Train (gaparok): huroroc in 1691 ticks.  Wink

imageI built a programmable machine which takes these opcodes:
1: add 1
7: no-op
A: accept
F: subtract 1
The paper tape along the top is executed as the two values loop, each in their own independent thread. Of the four possible sequences that solve using at most 15 + and 15 -, this is the shortest. The timing of the bottom track should work fine with Train v3 too.
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2008, 11:58:05 PM »

Nice!
imageMy solution is also a kind of programmable machine, but a little more complex than yours...
It is actually possible to snatch one more + or - imageby dropping the 2 crates at the same time...

For Train v3 (pesurud): lucibyb (3903 ticks)

Is there nobody who has tried Doubles yet? Took a while for me to complete, but it is solvable...

Edit:
Merge notuber
Surfing resugyd liladyn (fixed start of a dozer)
Tiki Room gudefud
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